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Post by Narkili on Oct 11, 2009 14:19:00 GMT -5
Okay so with school me and my staff have less and less time on our hands (as you can tell from my one week absense). Den applications and Special wolf applications are becoming a real chore. So Ive been thinking that I could remove den applications entirely (special wolf applications are staying though).
If den applications are removed then this is how things will work:
-den 3 is still public -there will be no application for "nomad packs" -there will be no list of "den inhabitants" -you will have to constantly rp to keep your den because new packs can try to move in at any moment. So the den is YOURS as long as you can keep other packs/prides at bay. -you can still apply for a pack board
Well what do you all think?
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Post by Zae on Oct 12, 2009 13:15:11 GMT -5
Mm. I agree, too much drama comes from the den apps, especially when people are trying to take over other people's dens and then never applying to keep it.
Only worry I have is Den4. What's to stop some other rogue pack from coming in and taking claim to it when no Polaris members are online?
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Post by Negligence on Oct 12, 2009 18:19:37 GMT -5
Im for and against den apps....
It can cause drama, but it can also prevent drama....
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Post by Aiya on Oct 13, 2009 14:02:12 GMT -5
I was away for a few days due to lack of internet at my sister's, but I thought I was handling the den applications pretty well.
My opinion is that I believe the den applications help to prevent a lot of drama when it comes to the dens. As Zae said, without the applications any old newbie pack/troublemakers can go into any den at anytime and claims it's theirs. At least with the applications in place there's a bit of order. If an applying pack has to wait a few days for staff to get back to them...what's the big deal there?
Just my opinion.
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Post by Morrow on Dec 19, 2009 12:01:10 GMT -5
I agree with Aiya. I think that the den Applications should stay.
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Post by Nythaerus on Dec 23, 2009 13:15:25 GMT -5
I'm divided when it comes to den applications.
This is honestly the first dream that I've come to which required den applications, so in terms of something commonplace for me ... they aren't. That very fact makes me not quick to jump on the bandwagon, but I also am open-minded enough to look at them from both points of view, which is what I am doing now.
In favor of den applications, like Aiya said, they can help prevent a lot of drama if newer players, who don't know the den claiming process, come in and try to take a den.
Now, this is also a double-edged sword, in my opinion and here is why:
a) It depends enormously on the players; I have had a lot of experience with negative feedback when you try and tell someone that they have to go fill out an application. There are a lot of people who don't like 'being told what to do,' which is why I try to find middle ground with everything, but that aside; I have seen people (in AWW) refuse to fill out an application, then refuse to leave, and then that itself becomes a staffing issue and becomes a dramafest.
b) I personally feel that applications put a discouragement on role play and this goes back to how I spent years role playing. We never had applications but we also didn't have the sort of legitimate technicalities that I see today. So and so can't take over a den unless x, y, and z. The way I "grew up role playing" is that a pack takes over a den (it was always a pack, and this was never established via rules) and if another pack wanted the den (was usually always a pack) then they simply had an all out brawl for it. No loners ever attempted to take over a den due to the numeric disadvantage. That's how it was, though. There was no application process. If you could take it and defend it, then it was yours.
Applications also share a con and a pro in the same category - organization. It is easy to know who has taken claim over which den via applications but at the same time, it can also become strenuous, at times, depending on who else wants the den. I remember seeing numerous threads before with 3 or 4 different packs all wanting the same den. Waiting for a response, also, can dampen role play. If I want Den 7 but Wolf Pack D is in there, and I fill out an application, but a week later, hear nothing ... then what?
If you want to have a more formal and organized structure for claiming a den, then I definitely can understand that, and would be happy, if so decided, to try and lend a hand with coming up with any provisions, as I know everyone else would. Overall, though, while den applications do serve some purpose, I do think they also provide a greater disservice for both role play and staff.
This is just my opinion, though.
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Post by Tura on Dec 23, 2009 17:23:29 GMT -5
Maybe you could ditch the application, but have packs post on a board that they will be trying to defend a den. They wouldn't have to fill anything out, but they could post on a board that would add them to a list. They could just write their pack name and den in the title, as they have been already. That keeps organization, as well as less time reviewing applications.
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Post by Truths on Dec 23, 2009 21:20:42 GMT -5
Kinda good to see what you're up against. I mean really. If you don't know packs are inhabiting it, then you'll go in. Then if you're not there, another pack, maybe another, then there's just about 4 wolf packs, right there.
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Post by behead on Jan 3, 2010 0:52:44 GMT -5
I'd like for den apps to stay to prevent alot of fights ooc and ic of who was here first blah blah blah.
Then again, It'd be more realistic and cooler.
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